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07 February 2017 @ 07:07 am
Us & them  
“Identity politics” is redundant. Politics always divides into us & them, and the most effective kind is the establishment making it ubiquitous. (Many white people believe that only others have a race. Karl Marx built an identity politics around the one sociological concept sloppier than Race, and it worked when the State imposed it but not otherwise.)

If you don’t have that kind of control, you try to get the voters to accept that you are on their side in the relevant Us/Them distinctions. (Dolt45 got millions of working-class people to believe that he was on their side against the Big Bosses.) Here is an excellent approach to political persuasion based on that. One example is the Anheuser-Busch commercial on the Super Bowl. Not only does Trump have Budweiser arrayed against him, but they’re using good tactics.
Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on February 7th, 2017 05:41 pm (UTC)
'Identity politics' is a dismissive term for what used to be called 'civil rights', back in the day when they were presumed to BE actual rights which all of We the People are guaranteed under our Constitution, rather than mere conditional 'privilege'.

Nobody has a race. The whole concept was pseudo-science from the start, and has been very thoroughly debunked by modern genetics. Nobody in America is born into a permanent class, either, though downward mobility has gotten a whole lot easier than upward these days. Skin color, ethnicity, gender etc. would not matter if We the People all stood up for the equal rights of all of us.. Economic class would not matter if the system were fair, so nobody was either impoverished nor filthy rich

President Bannon would like to keep the American populace divided into us vs. them, rather than united as one nation indivisible. He'd love to see the West try to secede; we'd have martial law in a minute. We've all seen how that works in other countries. "We must all hang together, or we will surely all hang separately."

"First they came for the Muslims..."
eub on February 8th, 2017 09:37 am (UTC)
You're doing the "there's always at least a little identity in politics, ergo there's always the same amount and same kind of thing. That's not right, unless you weaken it down to something like "life experience and awareness influence people's beliefs." Not the same as having your identity carry along a package of beliefs.

Take an example, where has social movement on LGBTQ tolerance come from? Not from people taking on a queer identity en masse. Not from people taking on "tolerates queer people" as their identity, either -- oh, people have that (frankly I do), but that's not the big movement. A lot of people are still the same white-Catholic-Iowan-or-whatever-it-is identity, but they're a white-Catholic-Iowan-or-whatever who learned some things and realized "there's not actually a damn thing wrong with my nephew."

There's always identity in politics, but the farther it gets towards political beliefs as a package with your identity, the harder it is to compromise or to change. And even if you don't need to compromise or change, what about that other guy?
et in Arcadia egoboo: Sacred Chaoapostle_of_eris on February 11th, 2017 06:34 am (UTC)
the Anheuser-Busch commercial . . .
It seems strange that the Superbowl has gone meta: there are ad campaigns for the ads. I saw the Anheuser-Busch commercial. I haven't glimpsed a Superbowl since the Bears.