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27 September 2016 @ 07:20 am
Today’s cheering thought is that while many progressives are wondering if they should stoop to voting for a mere liberal like Hillary Clinton, the other side has similar issues. A number of conservative Christians have noticed that her opponent is “a bully, who made his money by casinos, who has had several wives and several affairs.” I would strongly encourage them not to endanger their immortal souls by voting for such a man.
Lydy Nickersonlydy on September 27th, 2016 01:11 pm (UTC)
The more I see of Hillary, the more I like her. This is...unusual for me and politicians. I do not agree with her on many issues. But I do believe that she is kind and competent, which are my two cardinal virtues.
El Coyote Gordo: thumbsupergee on September 27th, 2016 01:18 pm (UTC)
I think so, too.
Johnjohnpalmer on September 28th, 2016 01:00 pm (UTC)
The more I think about it, the more I realize how much of the bad feelings are mostly due to an unfair narrative. The rightwing has been pounding her forever; she's turtled up a bit, which is really reasonable. But so far everything they've dug into has come up empty.

"Donors to her foundation had dealings with her as Secretary of State!"

"Yeah, amazing, when you're the spouse of an ex-President, your friends include important people who might interact with the US."

"But it looks like pay-to-play!"

"No it doesn't - there's no evidence of anything like that."


"Because there's no evidence? Let me guess: the lack of evidence just proves how well they're hiding the corruption, right?"
Lydy Nickersonlydy on September 28th, 2016 02:52 pm (UTC)
So Much This!!!

Tangentially, I am reminded of Teresa Kerry, who I remember as Teresa Heinz. She was a smart, interesting woman who married John Heinz, who bought his senate seat fair and square. Seriously, he was a good senator, the man who stood on the Senate floor when Reagan was cutting funding for school lunches, and said, "Ketchup is not a vegetable. If anyone would know, it would be me." He was a really good senator, and died too young in a helicopter crash. Teresa was his widow. Some number of years later, she married John Kerry, also a senator. And my, didn't people speculate about her "thirst for power." Stop and think, though, who her social circle was. Who she knew and who she had as a support system when her first husband died. Of course it was heavily comprised of political movers and shakers. Also, it's clear that one of the things she cared about in men was a guy who took public service seriously. So the fact that she fell for John Kerry made perfect sense to me, and not in a gold-digger way, but in a "this is who she tends to hang out with" sort of way. I tend to date sf fans, and hang out with writers and editors. I have this thing for the written word. She has a thing for effective politicians with a humane bent. How is this different?

Hillary gets nicked a lot for being stand-offish with the press. With her experience, who could blame her? You are so right about this. (Also, have you noticed how adorably sweet Bill is about her accomplishments? He really loves it when she does well. I remember when she was first elected to the senate, he surreptitiously wiped his eyes while on stage. He always looks so happy at her victories. I love that about them.)
John M. Burtjohn_m_burthotm on September 28th, 2016 03:06 pm (UTC)
IIRC, it was Senator Kerry who was called a "gold-digger" for marrying the woman who had inherited Heinz's substantial fortune.
Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on September 28th, 2016 03:17 pm (UTC)
I agree - I've gone from being totally unwilling to vote for her, to being willing only to defeat Trump, to being willing to give her a fair chance. She won't be the worst POTUS we've had in recent decades, and I'm starting to think she could possibly even be the best.

Of course, a lot will depend on who we elect to Congress, because the obstructivists in both the GOP and the Dem. party will obstruct her the same way they've obstructed Obama if they get the chance.
eub on September 29th, 2016 04:56 am (UTC)
Was it from specific things you've seen about her? I'd appreciate hearing what, if you can pin it down.