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30 June 2016 @ 08:45 am
A No Trump Bid  
I am not a Hillary hater. She has two of the endemic flaws of American politics: She has made friends with the Mammon of unrighteousness, and she believes in that wonderful idea of America charging into Asia and fixing things that has served us so well in the past. Nevertheless, there are reasons for voting for her besides her not being a tiny-fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret-wearing shitgibbon.

She is a politician, which is not the most excellent thing for a person to be, but saying, “I’ll vote for him because he’s not a politician,” is not unlike “I want him to operate on me because he’s not a doctor.” She seems to be basically a liberal. It’s past time for a woman president. I’m not wildly enthusiastic, but I think there are good things about her, and I would fairly cheerfully vote for her if she were running against a sad, rather than rabid, Republican.
Kalimac: puzzlekalimac on June 30th, 2016 02:27 pm (UTC)
We are the chorus, and we agree. We agree, we agree, we agree.
tx_cronopiotx_cronopio on June 30th, 2016 02:55 pm (UTC)
Yep, those are my feelings. I think she's an opportunistic and probably a bit of a narcissist, but I doubt anyone who gets in the position of running for president isn't.

And because she's a lifelong policy wonk, I think she'll probably be a better than average Prez.
et in Arcadia egobooapostle_of_eris on June 30th, 2016 04:38 pm (UTC)
“Trump is what a failure thinks a success looks like.”

I'd be so much happier if Hillary weren't an old school Republican.
Steve: Anton Ego (Ratatouille)anton_p_nym on June 30th, 2016 05:35 pm (UTC)
Agreed, but I'd cheerfully take an Eisenhower Republican over the current crop of "Republicans".

-- Steve will admit that it's akin to picking cloudy water to drink over raw sewage.

Edited at 2016-06-30 05:35 pm (UTC)
Christine Quinonesbugsybanana on June 30th, 2016 04:41 pm (UTC)
There's a lot I don't like about her policies, and I understand that the few politicians who don't share these policies have small chance of being elected in our current environment, and no chance of getting their policies implemented in our current environment, sadly. I see how crucial it is to vote for someone who theoretically can be persuaded to see reason, however small the likelihood that may be, over someone beyond all sense. I hate it, but I see it.

In short: Vote for the corporate funded warmonger, it's important.
Lavender Took: LGBTIQHlavendertook on June 30th, 2016 06:53 pm (UTC)
Obama is to the right of what I would like in a president, but despite having his hands tied by an opposing Congress that the American people gave him due to Brexit-like stupidity, he has been the best president of my lifetime. I expect HRC to be very much the same, so I can vote for her happily, even though I cast a vote for Sanders in the primary.

I'm hoping Sanders will keep the pressure on to the convention next month to make her a better president with more options to the left, and then promote her full force to help defeat Trump. To catch the media and keep its attention to the day of the election, you don't want them to go full force with the campaign with Sanders onboard with bells and whistles until September or a lot of people will be too bored to pay attention by November. I'm hoping that's their strategy--it's a big hope I know.
El Coyote Gordo: thumbsupergee on June 30th, 2016 07:16 pm (UTC)
Very much my feelings
blue shark of friendlinessckd on June 30th, 2016 10:15 pm (UTC)
My hope too. My argument is that if you want progressive action out of an opportunist (as many Sanders supporters regard Clinton), the way to get it is to present progressive opportunities and make it clear that "more progressive == more support for other initiatives".

And that, of course, depends on fixing Congress as much as possible. There are 24 R seats and only 10 D seats up this year in the Senate; flip enough of those, especially to strongly progressive candidates, and things will change.
browngirl on July 1st, 2016 05:25 am (UTC)
This is what I was going to say, but better.
Being the ramblings of D.gmdreia on June 30th, 2016 11:18 pm (UTC)
People say "not a politician" as if that's a good thing.
I'm voting for her because she IS a politician. Which means that she must go through basic, commonly accepted procedures to get bills passed and to get things done. And even the ways in which she is suspicious, are garden variety ways in which politicians are often suspicious.

Trump is not a politician; he's appealing to the people who want a dictator. And Bernie was basically offering to print free money - I'm not sure how he expected a lot of his initiatives to pass, minus the executive orders that Obama carried out.

Hillary has a cool head and IS establishment and that's EXACTLY why I'm voting for her.

"Anti-establishment" fervor and populism is how you get dictators.

Slow, incremental change is a *good* thing.

Edited at 2016-06-30 11:18 pm (UTC)
Young Geoffreyed_rex on July 1st, 2016 06:14 am (UTC)
Some liberal, some difference
I've no time for Trump; he's an inept wannabe Fascist (who might, just might, nevertheless be your next President) who more likely than not entered the race on an ego-driven whim.

That said, as a foreigner, I can't share your phlegmatic attitude towards Clinton.

She was an enthusiastic proponent of welfare "reform" and other laws that have sent black and poor people (especially poor people who are black) to prison, and she's never met a war she didn't like. She has yet to become President, but she already has tonnes of blood keeping her skin smooth.

If (as seems likely) she does become your next President, the result will be the continued beggaring of what remains of your middle classes and the slaughter of millions more brown people in the Middle East and Central American (for starters).

And furthermore, in 2020, the Republican contender won't be a comical blowhard thug running on a whim, but an organized Fascist with a large cadre of Brownshirts to back him up.

Mark Young Geoffrey's wise, wise words. Even Bernie Sanders daren't come out against eternal war. There is no scenario in which this election turns out well for you; and almost none that turns out well for the rest of us.
Nation of Tire Saletdaschel on July 6th, 2016 12:17 pm (UTC)
i'm willing to forgive Mz Clinton anything .. save her enthusiastic support for the overthrow of the Libyan government (by NATO airstrike, by Salafist mercenaries on the ground ..), but she's no worse than John McCain in that respect. but really: hasn't she become the "go to" choice for the GOP's pro-war "neoconservative" faction? Robert Kagan, Max Boot, and Jamie Kirchick have already endorsed her. my guess is those guys suspect Emperor Trump might lose the narrative and attack Luxembourg rather than the usual suspects (Russia and/or Iran).