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28 May 2016 @ 03:10 pm
A Spectrum Is Haunting Texas (a sequel)  
Yesterday I did a post about the “autistic spectrum” in which I assumed that autism is defined as the lack of Theory of Mind. That is not currently the case, and I apologize to anyone I offended by passing along that misinformation. I wish to thank mrissa, kalimac, elenbarathi, and ertla for helpful comments on this matter.

I suspect that autistic may be one of those concepts on which I am followed around by an invisible Zen Master who will whap me upside the head if I say that I am or if I say that I am not one of those. (It happened with fannish.) Fifty years ago I decided that the most important Two Kinds of People is those who live in the world and those who live in their minds and deal with the world, and that I am one of the latter. I found two brilliant writers of that sort—Robert Anson Heinlein and Robert Anton Wilson—and learned much from them without entirely agreeing with either. I thought that Jung’s extravert/introvert was that distinction, but it’s more complicated than that. I keep thinking about that. Maybe we should call it allistic/autistic or externalist/internalist, but it seems to me to matter a lot.
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Elenbarathielenbarathi on May 29th, 2016 12:10 am (UTC)
Here's a little article on Four Kinds of Introversion: sounds like you might be what they're now calling a 'Thinking Introvert'.

BTW, so you know, the Myers-Briggs Inventory was also totally debunked long ago.

There are two kinds of people in the world: those who think there are two kinds of people in the world, and those who don't. I am one of the latter; I say that all these systems of categorizing people by 'types' (astrology, enneagram, etc.) are equally specious, and tend to foster lazy, stereotypical thinking. As Crowley said, "Confound not the work of the Wand with the work of the Sword": putting a label on a jar does not alter its contents.

The Hexaco Inventory will tell you how you compare to the average in six personality traits, which is interesting to know, if not terribly useful. If you took the test more than once, your percentiles would probably change, but you could at least get a general idea of where you stand on the day you take it.

Edited at 2016-05-29 12:36 am (UTC)
Arlie Stephens: pic#6301806ertla on May 29th, 2016 06:00 pm (UTC)
I don't think that autist/allist maps into introvert/extrovert at all neatly. My nephew considers himself both extroverted and Aspergoid, and I agree with both. He really likes hanging out with people, online or offline. I imagine he gets energized by social interaction. That doesn't mean he has innate talent at intuiting allist feelings, or "correct" social behaviour. He probably also has sensory issues which interfere with some types of social interaction. Many of the activities he enjoys with friends are seriously nerdy - he's very much into role playing, including live action, and he really means role playing, not what some call "roll playing". But he does them a lot, and would probably be happier with more such interaction.

For myself, I suspect I'm borderline on the I/E dimension. I'm quite capable of being the life of the party, and feeling energized by that. But it had better be a nerd party. And I need some amount of social interaction for optimum happiness, though, unfortunately, nowhere near as much as I generally experience. But too much social interaction leaves me wiped out, most of the time. And if I'm at all low, I want to crawl into a hole and not speak to anyone, maybe not even my dog.
El Coyote Gordo: coy1supergee on May 30th, 2016 09:28 am (UTC)
I finally realized that introvert/extrovert didn't map to what I was interested in (though I am definitely an introvert), but for a while it was comforting to have a Real Psychologist on my side.