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07 March 2016 @ 06:08 am
Out of their field  
Scientists (e.g., Bill Nye) don’t understand philosophy.

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ETA: “I believe that a scientist looking at nonscientific problems is just as dumb as the next guy.”—Richard Feynman
Kalimac: puzzlekalimac on March 7th, 2016 11:46 am (UTC)
First the writer defends philosophy by saying that it's not stupid and pointless, and then, boasting of philosophy's capacity to give surprising answers, cites philosophers saying stupid and pointless things.

Also, that "argument ad lapidum" mocked here? It was first employed by Dr. Johnson, so it has, at least, a distinguished pedigree.
browngirl on March 7th, 2016 01:43 pm (UTC)
kalimac is right: the article's author didn't make their point at all successfully. They should have left it to Feynman (ironically, no less).
Bill the bold bosthoonwcg on March 7th, 2016 04:40 pm (UTC)
Huh boy. I don't see anyone covering themselves with glory here. It's more than a bit ironic that our doctorates in the sciences are usually called PhD, as in "doctor of philosophy," when we don't take a single course in philosophy anywhere in our graduate curricula. I'm one of the rare people in the science community who took any undergraduate philosophy courses. France Cordova (current president of the NSF) did, but her career path has been far from ordinary. If she's read the article you linked to, she probably cringed while reading it.

The thing about formal philosophy is that it has a language, with terms of art, all its own. Furthermore, the parts of natural philosophy and rational philosophy that became modern science and mathematics got disconnected from formal philosophy around 1750, during the Enlightenment. The upshot of this is that scientists and mathematicians have very little idea, if any, of the philosophical roots of their disciplines. Likewise, professional philosophers are largely disconnected from science and mathematics. Yes, there are wonderful exceptions, but they are largely unknown.
Steve: old-blueakicif on March 7th, 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)
For values of "looking at nonscientific problems" equal to "talking about anything outside their own discipline within their field"....
El Coyote Gordo: Blackaddersupergee on March 14th, 2016 04:43 pm (UTC)
As Neil deGrasse Tyson appears to have demonstrated.