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01 June 2014 @ 07:41 am
Confirming evidence  
Marvelous horrible example of "this awful news is really about my idee fixe." I am no longer a libertarian, but I still like their idea that saying it's OK for the poor to steal because the rich have all the money is like saying it's OK for men to rape because women have all the pussy.

Thanx to andrewducker
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Patrick Nielsen Haydenpnh on June 1st, 2014 01:40 pm (UTC)
But they're not the same, you know. There are a non-zero number of situations where a poor person's continued health or even survival will depend on stealing. This is not true in the other case.
El Coyote Gordo: coy1supergee on June 1st, 2014 03:09 pm (UTC)
Good point. I would not argue with "there are times when it's OK for the poor to steal."
Joshua Kronengoldmneme on June 3rd, 2014 09:10 pm (UTC)
Also, part of the issue is when the rich are stolen from, it doesn't, in fact, hurt them the way being raped does, so it's a huge false equivalence.

So it's a really problematic statement.
Avram Grumer: Post-It Portraitagrumer on June 2nd, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
But, but… the rich really are hoarding all the money!

Seriously, read about this bullshit Zappos is pulling and tell me it doesn’t read like a pastiche of misogynist claims about how women treat men.
Kalimac: puzzlekalimac on June 1st, 2014 05:26 pm (UTC)
Exactly what is the rape-oriented equivalent of overpaid CEOs and exploited workers, of bankers manipulating the economy and of mortgage foreclosures?
El Coyote Gordo: ironysupergee on June 1st, 2014 05:38 pm (UTC)
I don't think the analogy covers that. There are unjustly rich people, but I don't accept a freelance right to take from them by force.
Kalimackalimac on June 1st, 2014 05:48 pm (UTC)
The argument you were proposing to refute is "it's OK for the poor to steal because the rich have all the money." My comment concerns why they have all the money. I think that's relevant to any discussion of why some people consider themselves justified in taking it.

Rapists have arguments as to why they're justified in raping, too. If the money arguments can't be refuted along the same lines that the rape arguments can, the whole analogy is so limited as to be useless and misleading.
eub on June 2nd, 2014 07:54 am (UTC)
That seems to be rejecting the rape justification's conclusion while accepting the justification's premise, that sex is a prize that women control and men pursue.
et in Arcadia egoboo: Sacred Chaoapostle_of_eris on June 2nd, 2014 07:31 pm (UTC)
their idea that saying it's OK for the poor to steal because the rich have all the money is like saying it's OK for men to rape because women have all the pussy
Is this a typo or proofreading malfunction?
El Coyote Gordo: cock soupsupergee on June 2nd, 2014 07:45 pm (UTC)
If there is, I don't see it. In retrospect, it seems like one of those intuitive leaps that conclude with me on my ass. I thought I saw a connection that probably needed much more explanation or putting it aside until such time as I could make it clearer.