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06 February 2014 @ 04:45 pm
A comment I made elsewhere about yesterday's 100th-birthday boy  
I am extremely ambivalent about Burroughs. A genius of course, but you can't get away from the misogyny. Whatever else The Wild Boys is, it's Kill All the Girls/Kill All the Boys With Girl Cooties on a scale far beyond the Halloween movies. Maybe he's like Marx & Freud: Useful Tools/Disinfect Before Using. But I love Rudy Rucker's slash masterpiece Turing and Burroughs, and maybe Burroughs is right about language being a virus from outer space. If so, I for one welcome our new viral overlords.
 
 
 
browngirl on February 6th, 2014 11:12 pm (UTC)
"Useful tools: disinfect before using" -- that's a useful warning label.
Ulrikaakirlu on February 7th, 2014 12:11 am (UTC)
In what way do you categorize Freud as a useful tool?
El Coyote Gordo: thinkingsupergee on February 7th, 2014 12:19 am (UTC)
Mechanisms. Projection comes to mind right away.
Ulrikaakirlu on February 7th, 2014 12:24 am (UTC)
Ah, unprovable accusations/epithets that allow the accuser to feel scientific about unwarranted speculations about the mental states of others. Anything else?

El Coyote Gordo: coy1supergee on February 7th, 2014 12:52 am (UTC)
Defender of Freud is not something I'm good at. If I think of anything that sounds plausible,I'll get back to you.
Ulrikaakirlu on February 7th, 2014 12:56 am (UTC)
In the meantime, you may wish to address some skepticism toward unconsidered adoption of Freudian terminology; personally I find it about as useful as adoption of phlogiston as an explanation of combustion...
Ulrikaakirlu on February 7th, 2014 12:52 am (UTC)
Or, to put it another way, do any of these "mechanisms" you're thinking of have any more scientific support behind them than Freud's (post-recantation of Etiology of Hysteria) claims that his patients' memories of having molested as children were fantasies, rather than evidence of molestation?
Johnjohnpalmer on February 7th, 2014 01:47 am (UTC)
The first medical doctors did some really awful, shitty things to people in the mistaken belief they were helping. Freud started the big ball rolling on the notion of talk therapy.

Maybe someone else - hopefully someone wiser - would have picked up the torch; maybe it would have been brighter and better. But he's who we have as the father of psychotherapy - as I understand it, at least.
Ulrikaakirlu on February 7th, 2014 11:03 pm (UTC)
Freud may have vastly popularized talk therapy, which certainly speaks to his impressive talents as a charlatan, but informally, talk therapy preceded him by oh, centuries. And the cure/symptom-relief rates for formal talk therapy versus no formal therapy are, as I recall, virtually identical. And someone in informal talk therapy isn't nearly as likely to get end up under the knife of some quack friend of the therapist who performs botched nose surgery to cure dysmenorrhea, forgets to remove several yards of gauze from said nose when closing, and subsequently chimes in with the therapist that the reason the patient's nose won't stop bleeding is because she's hysterical (the very thing the surgery was supposed to fix...). And missing all that has got to be a plus.

Edited at 2014-02-07 11:06 pm (UTC)
Kalimac: puzzlekalimac on February 7th, 2014 05:55 am (UTC)
I have found Freudian theory useful in literary criticism. Reality may not be very Freudian, but some authors are. (Some. Application of Freudian theory to other authors is a ghastly bane.)
et in Arcadia egoboo: Sacred Chaoapostle_of_eris on February 7th, 2014 06:39 pm (UTC)
If you haven't read it, keep an eye out for Philip Jose Farmer's "The Jungle Rot Kid on the Nod".
El Coyote Gordo: sacred chaosupergee on February 7th, 2014 09:55 pm (UTC)
Loved it!
(no subject) - Tom Jackson on February 7th, 2014 10:21 pm (UTC) (Expand)
El Coyote Gordo: breechessupergee on February 7th, 2014 11:24 pm (UTC)
Naked Lunch