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07 November 2013 @ 05:32 am
Richard Cohen has noticed that slavery was not a good thing.

Thanx to Avedon Carol on Facebook
nancylebov: green leavesnancylebov on November 7th, 2013 01:42 pm (UTC)
It's so wonderful when people get mocked for admitting they learned something.
El Coyote Gordo: coy3supergee on November 7th, 2013 01:53 pm (UTC)
Good point.
Kalimackalimac on November 7th, 2013 04:57 pm (UTC)
He's not being mocked for admitting he learned something. He's being mocked being a supposedly respected, nationally syndicated columnist who has been so utterly unplugged from the cultural discourse of the last half century, so unbelievably slow at picking up what's been shouted from the rooftops for quite some while now. If he really were an uneducated peasant from rural Georgia, he might be pitied. In his position, however, it's quite different.
browngirl on November 7th, 2013 09:03 pm (UTC)
A Wandering Hobbitredbird on November 7th, 2013 05:20 pm (UTC)
It's also that a respected newspaper has been paying and publishing a political columnist who was not merely ignorant but actively misinformed on some of the central facts of American history. What does that imply about everything else he has written about race relations during his career? What does it imply about their editorial standards? [If the writer of "Hints from Heloise" was that ignorant, it wouldn't matter.]
nancylebov: green leavesnancylebov on November 7th, 2013 09:10 pm (UTC)
Has anyone been mocking the newspaper?

Edited at 2013-11-07 09:12 pm (UTC)
Kalimackalimac on November 8th, 2013 12:30 am (UTC)
Yes. I forget now which political blogger I read often refers mockingly to "the Villagers", by which is meant a tiny self-reinforcing culture of pundits divorced from the reality they claim to be so wise about. Most of the so-called "liberal media" falls in this category. That such ignoranti get respected forums while genuine insight is often limited to blogs (whom this blogger links to more admiringly) is treated as an ongoing but unsurprising scandal.
nancylebov: green leavesnancylebov on November 8th, 2013 01:47 pm (UTC)

Did research on pundits, found out that they're generally wrong and don't get better. He was looking at ability to predict rather than background knowledge, though.
Johnjohnpalmer on November 8th, 2013 10:21 pm (UTC)
Herm. I see a point, but the article bugs me on a more fundamental level.

"Had you ever thought about slavery? I mean, really thought about it? Not just reading it as a set of dry facts and statistics? I just saw..." would be admitting he learned something.

"OMG, slavery really was hideous!" is... disturbing. I can't imagine not realizing it. I've learned it was worse than I'd imagined, but I never thought that it was mostly-content slaves under generally benevolent owners.

Or, if I can imagine admitting it, I feel like, how could you not be embarrassed that you were that naive?

But yeah, I don't know if piling on him is the right move.
Kalimackalimac on November 8th, 2013 12:38 am (UTC)
I did a wrong thing. I had explicated the Wonkette writer's opinion of Cohen without actually reading the full Cohen column.

I've now done so. It's worse than I thought.

Had Cohen not known that Custer's was a military expedition set out specifically to confront the Indians?

As to what Cohen says he had thought about slavery, that could have been corrected if he'd ever gone so far as to read Uncle Tom's Cabin, or, since I never have, even to read ABOUT Uncle Tom's Cabin.

This is a guy whose enlightenment level has barely reached the 1850s, and that's where he is now.

Edited at 2013-11-08 12:43 am (UTC)