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20 February 2012 @ 06:17 am
Thanks a pantsful, Ralph  
Ralph Nader achieved his goal in the 2000 election. He couldn't resist calling his memoir of it Crashing the Party. Ha. Ha. Ha.

Thanx to Mercury Rising.

ETA: I understand falling in love with an allegedly clever phrase and whipping it out even though it will show the world that you're an asshole. The latest example is the guy ESPN fired for doing a "chink in the armor" headline about Jeremy Lin.
Carol Kennedycakmpls on February 20th, 2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
Oh, I hadn't heard about that Lin headline. Thanks for the info.
dd-bdd_b on February 20th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Ta-Nehisi Coates writes briefly about the situation, I think agreeing about firing the employee (unidentified to him) who wrote the headline, but thinking they over-reacted in firing Bretos.

I just heard of it this morning, so I haven't seen much else.
dd-bdd_b on February 20th, 2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
Oops, that's "suspend" rather than "fire" for Bretos.
lassiter: O RLY?lassiter on February 20th, 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
This again, really? Gore could have handily won if he had embraced even a fraction of Nader's eminently reasonable platform. That's how 3rd parties work and get influence in parliamentary systems. Fact was that Gore, like most Democratic presidential candidates of the past several decades, was running to the right, trying to pick up conservative Republican voters (with a potential "culture warrior" first lady who had declared war on contemporary African-American music, allying with neonazi groups in her zeal to protect white girls from Black gangsta rappers). As usual, the right-wing voters were utterly uninterested in switching sides, and gore just alienated his base to the point where a lot of 'em stayed home (or maybe voted for Nader).

Edited at 2012-02-20 03:30 pm (UTC)
El Coyote Gordo: disastersupergee on February 20th, 2012 04:09 pm (UTC)
That too. Nader didn't do it alone, no matter what he may think. Gore could have run a much better campaign, as you say, and we can't leave out the Republican thugs who kept the ballots from being counted.
Lavender Tooklavendertook on February 20th, 2012 06:48 pm (UTC)
This. Someone even as moderate as Obama, would never have had a chance in 2008 if Nader didn't start getting some of the rhetoric critiquing concentration of wealth at the top and corporate greed out into the public arena 2 terms back, and the only way to get the press to pick it up at all was by a serious presidential bid. It takes a good decade for new rhetoric to start sounding reasonable to enough people, sometimes for better and sometimes for worse.
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
I consider 2000 to be the election that Al Gore lost, he was a terrible candidate.
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 04:32 pm (UTC)
upps, looks like lassiter already said that
El Coyote Gordo: screwsupergee on February 20th, 2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
We certainly don't want to leave Gore out.
Johnjohnpalmer on February 20th, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah, so terrible he won the popular vote, and where, it seems likely, he would have won the election but for irregularities in Florida.

And look at the margin of victory. I mean, just look at it. How many electoral votes did Bush get? 400? Uh, no... well, 300? Uh, no.

Well, 271 is still a crushing, landslide victory... in some Republican fantasyland.
lassiter: patz-marulassiter on February 20th, 2012 07:28 pm (UTC)

He "won the popular vote" with one of the lowest turnouts in recent electoral history, though. I think he turned off a lot more left-liberal voters than he inspired. Admittedly, one other factor was that Bush actually ran as a relatively reasonable moderate, too.
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 07:33 pm (UTC)
I am saying that the election should not have been close, not to that turnip. You're right of course about the popular vote and the irregularities.
Avram Grumeragrumer on February 20th, 2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
Keep in mind that the late '90s (and 2000, and 2001 up till Sept 11) were the Era of Not Taking Politics Seriously. The time when people would line up to vote wrestlers and action movie stars into governors' offices. The Cold War was over, the economy was strong, a best-selling book had proclaimed that history was over, and a lot of people probably didn't think it all mattered anymore, whether we had an alcoholic pretend-cowboy for president.
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 09:03 pm (UTC)
perhaps I'm in left field on this one but I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would be a fine president.

And they can throw away the "no foreign born people" rule, the American citizens can decide for themselves whether someone will make a decent president.
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
just keep him away from the interns
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eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 10:50 pm (UTC)
Re: That's INdecent
tell me more!
eatsoylentgreeneatsoylentgreen on February 20th, 2012 11:23 pm (UTC)
Re: That's INdecent
well if he didn't try to throw cozy contracts to private businesses and get kickbacks in return, he wouldn't be a Republican :D
Johnjohnpalmer on February 20th, 2012 08:42 pm (UTC)
Nod. And I'm probably a bit more cranky about this than I should be.
Nation of Tire Saletdaschel on February 20th, 2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
.. also worth noting is th' Veep factor: Joe Lieberman is on the same page, foreign policy-wise, as Dick Cheney. so - from an anti.war perspective - we'd prolly be exactly where we are now had there been a Gore Administration.
lassiter: patz-marulassiter on February 21st, 2012 08:06 pm (UTC)
I think the case can be reasonably made that foreign policy changes little or not at all between administrations, regardless of party.