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18 June 2017 @ 07:42 am
Failure of perception, not feeling  
Once again, people with autism do not lack empathy. And I love the phrase “people with neurotypicality.” People are not their mental conditions.

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Elenbarathi: Puzzleelenbarathi on June 18th, 2017 04:12 pm (UTC)
If people with neurotypicality insist on using 'person-first' language despite all the autistic adults telling them FOR DECADES NOW! to knock it the fuck off, why then sure, we can use 'person-first' for everything.

And I do mean everything: person with blindness, person with blondeness, person with blackness, person with maleness, person with employment, person with athleticism... everything. Perseveration is an autistic super-power, and I haz it in spades: call me a "person with autism" just once, and I will person-first every damn descriptor until you apologize, beg me to stop, AND listen to my long and detailed explanation of why 'person-first' is OFFENSIVE.

Not like thousands and thousands of other autistic adults haven't explained that already, but, y'know, people with neurotypicality lack empathy, so it's hard for them to understand why labeling other people in a way they have CLEARLY STATED THEY HATE is not okay.

BTW, if you think autism is a 'mental condition', you need to research some of this century's literature before you make pronouncements about us. Sheesh!
El Coyote Gordo: actualsupergee on June 18th, 2017 05:50 pm (UTC)
I'm going to be writing a whole bunch about this, but right now I want to say that if "you" was second person specific rather than second person general, I apologize. I was groping around for a term for what it is not. I try to follow General Semantics and use the copula as little as possible. In the Times Book Review someone complained used a negative noun for Robert Lowell, and a loccer said, "He is not his disease." I agree, and if I hear "X is a Presbyterian," I would reply, "He is not his religion."
Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on June 18th, 2017 06:26 pm (UTC)
No no, it was second person general; no worries. But as far as the copula goes, I AM autistic. A Presbyterian can become a Buddhist, a blonde can dye her hair, a schizophrenic or diabetic might recover, a blind person might have an operation, but autism is permanent, and it is not a 'mental condition', it's a whole-brain difference. Would it make any sense at all to say "I am not my brain"?

If you start publicly referring to black people as "people with blackness" on the grounds that they are not their skin color, expect to get schooled hard. But of course there ARE no black people really, and no white people either - everybody's some shade of pinkish-brown or brownish-pink, and since the concept of 'race' was thoroughly debunked by science half a century ago, the concept of 'racial identity' is questionable, to say the least. So, will you avoid the copula henceforth when speaking of identity-groups based on functionally-trivial physical traits like skin color or body configuration, even at the risk of offending all the people with blackness, whiteness, tallness, thinness, Nativeness, youth, oldness, etcetera?

If not, then call us "autistic people", the same as the writer of that article did every time. "Persons with neurotypicality" was a dig at people who use person-first language.
El Coyote Gordo: fractalsupergee on June 18th, 2017 07:24 pm (UTC)
I'm much more an ADDer than an Aspie, but I think the whole spectrum should team up.
Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on June 18th, 2017 10:43 pm (UTC)
I agree. All brains are different, but some are more different than others; in a reasonable society, this would be no big deal. Unfortunately, we don't have a reasonable society, but we can keep working on it.