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21 April 2017 @ 07:25 am
The team’s execution  
I guess the death penalty is so bad that even keeping a piece of shit like Charlie Manson alive for 50 years at public expense is preferable. The latest is the Arkansas chemical farce, in which it turns out that the state refuses to do DNA tests that might exonerate two of the people it is eager to kill.

I never had strong feelings about the death penalty. (I was raised collectivist, so killing one person for the general good seemed more reasonable to me than it does to some.) I never thought it was terribly important to make sure that the individual was smart enough and sane enough to be executed. But if the state is going to kill somebody, the least it can do is take all reasonable means to make sure that they have the actual perp. This is nowhere near the first time that the collective lust to kill has overcome such technicalities. At best the death penalty is one of those nice things we can’t have because people are turds.

Thanx to Radley Balko, who is wonderful about keeping an eye on this sort of thing.
 
 
 
Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on April 21st, 2017 02:40 pm (UTC)
Either we keep shits like Charles Manson alive till they die on their own, OR we grant the State the power to kill its citizens.

According to the documents our Founding Fathers wrote, we are not the chattels of the State. Supposedly our government belongs to We the People, not the other way around.

What we need in this country (and have no chance of getting while the Republicans rule) is a Constitutional amendment declaring the sovereignity of individuals over their own bodies. This would mean no death penalty, no torture, no conscription, no detainment without due process, no restraint without compelling and fully-documented medical necessity, no corporal punishment in schools, no forced drugging, no laws against taking any drug (laws against selling drugs, or driving while using them, are a different matter,) no laws against consenting adults doing whatever they want with or to their own bodies (again, commerce and public safety are separate issues,) and no laws either restricting or compelling marriage or child-bearing.

And yes, this would mean the laws against rape and child abuse would grow some serious teeth. On the other side of the scale, we'd have to rehabilitate all those prisoners of the War on Drugs, which would cost a lot more than keeping the Manson types alive. Oh well!
Lydy Nickersonlydy on April 21st, 2017 06:05 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately, your ideals also mean no mandatory vaccinations, and I hit a great, big nope. We have lots of examples that show that if you leave the choice to vaccinate in the hands of individuals, people die.

Elenbarathi: Abandon hopeelenbarathi on April 21st, 2017 10:01 pm (UTC)
"Unfortunately, your ideals also mean no mandatory vaccinations"

No they don't. Quite the contrary, actually, since individuals having sovereignity over their own bodies means that minor children are not the chattels of their parents.

This is, of course, another reason why we'd never, ever get such an amendment if the Republicans could block it. A minor child's sovereignity over his/her own body implies the legal right to best-practice medical care, irrespective of the religious beliefs or anti-science prejudices of the parents.

This means everybody gets routinely vaccinated at school, the way we all used to during my own childhood in the 60's. This means the Planned Parenthood-mobile visits every high school every year. This means children whose gender differs from their apparent biological sex have the right to puberty-delaying treatment until they're legally of age to decide about other options. By the same token, this means no non-consensual body-modifications such as circumcision or clitorodectomy.

It also means that yes, it's against the law to smack your kids. The really tragic thing - the thing that says the most about parenthood in America - is that that would be the Great Big Nope for the majority of voters: adamant unwillingness to give up the 'right' to hit little children whom they theoretically love.

Edited at 2017-04-21 10:04 pm (UTC)