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13 December 2003 @ 01:06 pm
A Christmas presentation based on Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials has unsurprisingly given offense. Story here.
piranha @ dreamwidth pir_anha on December 13th, 2003 11:29 am (UTC)
his dark materials
how very much i'd like to see that. *sigh*.

it's not even christmas yet, and i've already had it up to my ears with getting it stuffed down my throat at every opportunity.
hangedwoman on December 13th, 2003 11:58 am (UTC)
I haven't read the books, but from the article it sounds like the adaptation has some very exciting potential. And phooey on the people who have a problem with it. One of the things I find so amusing about those people who have a problem with Dogma is that one of the reasons it's such a great movie, besides Kevin Smith's incredible wit, is that at its core is actually a deep affection for faith itself.
Avram Grumer agrumer on December 13th, 2003 09:45 pm (UTC)
His Dark Materials was written from an atheist perspective (not that I mind). Dogma was written from a Catholic perspective, but not one that necessarily supports everything the Vatican says. Different things.

I’ve got a couple of problems with Dogma, but they probably aren’t the problems you’re thinking of.
barbary_coast on December 13th, 2003 12:46 pm (UTC)
I wasn't aware that someone had done a stage adaptation of the Pullman novels. How marvelous! I'd love to see the production. I'm looking forward to see how Stoppard adapts the story for film.

Of course ardent fundamentalists (are there any other kind) are upset with Pullman's story. From their point of view, the story is pure blasphemy, made all the worse by the fact that it is written for children.

Pullman is correct in noting that we are living in a rare time of openness in the West. Not too long ago, he would have been officially condemed as a heretic for writing this story. The flames of the Inquisition are still flickering out there in the minds and hearts of the fundamentalists of the world. It's so very sad. Look how Rupert Kaye baits Pullman about neglecting to include the term "Allah" in the book so that, Kaye insinuates, Pullman could avoid Rushdie's fate. Kaye, very obviously, thinks that Pullman deserves to be murdered for heresy. Bastard. All I can say to the fundies of the world is that I hope that one day they meet the horrible, bloodthirsty, cruel, judgmental god that they worship. The god that I envision doesn't torture and murder people for writing books.
El Coyote Gordo supergee on December 13th, 2003 12:53 pm (UTC)
Actually, Pullman would be unlikely to be the subject of a fatwa because he never was a Muslim. Rushdie's "crime" was more apostasy than heresy.
barbary_coast on December 13th, 2003 01:32 pm (UTC)
Your point about the nature of a fatwa is true. However, as I read Kaye's comments, he clearly equates Pullman with Rushdie. The implication that Pullman deserves to have some sort of righteous holy war declared against him because he wrote a book that offended Kaye's version of god is horrible. It's that sort of bloodthirsty cruelty that makes me wonder just how these people can say that they worship a god of love.
El Coyote Gordo supergee on December 13th, 2003 02:06 pm (UTC)
I was appalled, but not surprised, at the number of Christian and Jewish authoritarians who supported the fatwa, perhas as a good precedent.
(Anonymous) on March 17th, 2004 05:10 pm (UTC)
Kaye baits Pullman again!
Hey check out what Kaye has written now! He says: "No doubt Philip Pullman is in rapturous disbelief that no less a figure than the Archbishop of Canterbury should have elevated him to the pantheon of literary greats, ranking him alongside Blake, Camus, Dostoevsky and Shelley. In fairness to Pullman, I believe he actually set out with the much more modest intention of discrediting Christianity, undermining the Church, attacking God and giving C S Lewis a bloody nose! But now, he finds himself affirmed and his work publicly praised by the leader of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Truth really is stranger than fiction!"
Go to: http://www.christian-teachers.org.uk/news/HeresyandBlasphemy.htm
What gives him the right to say such stuff?!
barbary_coast on March 17th, 2004 05:39 pm (UTC)
Re: Kaye baits Pullman again!
What gives him the right to say such stuff?!

Which "him" are you referring to, oh "Anonymous poster?" Kaye or Pullman?

My answer is the same, regardless. They're both grownups and both of them have the right to say whatever they want to about whatever they want to. That's one of the really swell things about living in an enlightened democracy, wouldn't you agree?

I certainly know that it's one of my favorite things.
MIKE SHERWOOD dmsherwood53 on December 15th, 2003 06:35 am (UTC)
The 1st 2 books are great the 3rd drops off a lot (& the ending [tho I cried] is shear illogical tear jerking)but its cool for us Atheists to have a book we can rtecommend to kiddies. Why not we're citizen's too!!